EliteVeteran

9 minutes ago, Bystry said:

Why? It's discussion forum, we're meant to discuss here and share our thoughts on certain topics. We wouldn't go far if everybody wrote here with that mindset "I'm gonna complain about something, but anyway I'm not gonna reply after this". Not understandable for me. 

You are one that seems not qualified in my opinion with multiple reasons. One is this reply above where you ask why i wouldn't want to continue this discussion is because this is not the right topic for it. Here we should discuss about the bug in WolfAdmin balancer.

This is my last words here about the members. I hope that the bug will be solved quickly so we can close this case about the bug.

2 hours ago, Bystry said:

Moving people around by !put command is the lamest thing to do and unacceptable in my eyes. This is why the WolfAdmin balancer was introduced in the first place, to avoid situations like these. 

Yeah, I don't like when someone's using this command to go to spectators either, but I just don't see how it could be considered as "abuse". I'd rather call it a "show-off". 

Okay i said i wouldn't reply but to this i have to because as player i dislike and it seriously disturbs me to see the lack and laziness of members qualities. The fact that you don't understand what abuse is and how to use commands properly says enough.

An command is considered abused when it's being used for personal pleasure. The commands are implemented to manage and lead the server into good atmosphere. For example in this case the 'put' command is created to put players who are inactive to spectator, or you need to balance teams but use your sense to avoid issues.
By using this command to move yourself to spectator i see no valid reason since you don't manage the server. You are active and able to move yourself to spectator by any other methods than commands. And thus in my opinion this is abuse and not just showoff, it is both and unacceptable.

Again, i am not here to lecture anyone but i have used the put and even putteam, the older version of put, command for many years and never had any issues since the player understood the reason why. It depends how you treat the player, how the server will elapse. It's all within the quality of the member.
If you still think the put command should not be used for balancing teams, consider to train the members how to use commands properly since it's only being abused and rarely used for the purpose it was meant for. Either that or remove it completely but it would be impossible to move AFK players to spectator.

For those who have long toes, i am not here to make you hurt but instead listen carefully to a worried player who would like to see some things change for the sake of a better server. We are all players and like to have an maximum joyful gaming experience.
 

5 minutes ago, slowtobi said:

I agree, we cannot watch 24/7 on the scoreboards. In my experience as long the server is not full, balancing works fine, public messages are read by everyone. Most of the players know each others. If server is crowded, balancing doesnt work well, nobody watches, fighting is hectic... . BUT imo the message from balancer can still remain in place, people can still complain on balance, people esp. Members can act accordingly;i just dont like this autobalancing active, as i can not explain its unpredictable actions to fellow players.

Watching the players scoreboard is an easy thing to do. You have several moments during the map to check the scoreboard, i give you some examples:

- When you're wounded and waiting for medic or you died and waiting to respawn.
- In an 'safezone'. When you're walking around and no enemy is nearby.
- While falling back and go in cover
- As spectator

And there are more moments during the game that you've time to check the scoreboard. If more TM members would do this, you sure will find out soon enough about the unbalance in teams.
This is something i do frequently but that has become an automatic thing during my development as member to administrator. This is also quality of the member and common duty to do.

This is my opinion.

7 hours ago, Matu said:

Sadly people somehow find it as abuse/offensive/humiliating act against them if we do that.

We try to ask via pm etc first if its ok b4 we use !put but lots of times they dont even answer or dont want to.

In most cases we wont force anyone or shitstorm may break loose and thats not solve current issue and brings another one.

In my opinion this is one of the common duties of any member, keeping team balanced. Since there is an bug in the balancer system, there's an need for manual balancing teams. Now in my years of administration experience i never had such an issue with the !put command after you've gently questioned all the players in public to even up the teams.
If noone does and there's still some TM members in the upper team, PM your TM members to swap teams before you put any player. Otherwise put an player to the opposite team and they should understand why, it's also in their profit for the maximum fun in gaming experience.

For sure noone likes to be put but as member you are responsible for keeping this place fair and joyful. So far i've seen the !put command is only used when an member goes spectator, this i see as abuse since there are different ways to go spectator without the need of any commands. The next would be !kick to disconnect from server?
If in any case some of the members feel offended, it was never my intention to. Constructive critic is an good thing to improve the quality in and around the clan. I am just giving my opinion as player with the eye as ex-head administrator. I won't reply after this as i refuse to go too far off-topic. Take care, Team Muppets.

a friend of TM

55 minutes ago, MiniMuppet said:

problem is if we turn it off people do not always move teams, so it could make it worse on the server instead of a little bug. up to you guys

Isn't this why they've added the !put command for members? 

I'd like to see Fueldump-Z because it is an nice summer atmosphere map. I also like to play Secret Bay, Axis Lab and MLB Temple.

I'd like to see disappear Goldrush and Supply Depot, i've always liked these maps for the years i play this game, until they get repeated every hour again and again. 

Thank you all for the replies. It feels nice and comfortable to hang around with you guys.

Hello everyone,

I am new here but not entirely new to this game. I played Wolfenstein ET since 2004 until 2017 with some pauses in between.
My current nickname is created by the thought of my previous community i've been in, it is as an reminder that i bring with me in every game now lol.

Today i've experienced an nice amount of players in your server with an good vibe among the members and your players. I think i will feel home here.
So i hope to see you guys again soon and let's enjoy this game for as long it last.

EliteVeteran a.k.a EV