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Hi all, I was wondering if it would be possible to tweak the auto-balance system so that players who have been on a team from the start of a map are less likely to be switched late in the game. Instead, balance changes should prioritise moving players who joined midway through (or later), unless there really are no other options. The reason I bring this up is that I have been switched quite a few times with only 3–5 minutes left, despite having played the entire map from the beginning. It feels especially unfair when someone who joined my team just minutes earlier gets to stay, while I get moved. It is frustrating when you have spent the whole round fighting hard to support your team and push for the win, only to be pulled away at the last minute. For me, it is not just about SR (though that matters too), but about the time and effort invested in backing the team you started with. I completely understand that balancing is important, and sometimes it is unavoidable that long-standing players get moved. But in most cases, I think it would feel fairer if late joiners were the first ones affected. Just my two cents... curious to hear what others think.

Ok let's try this idea. I added a condition to deactivate the autobalance when there is less than 3 minutes remaining on the map. Also takes into consideration the time bonuses. Let's see if it helps and don't hesitate to bring new feedbacks.

I agree with you. Imagine autobalance in soccer match where one player contributes to team whole match and in the end will be put to other team because other team is underperforming. Idk if there have been more changes made to autobalance but by default it should swap the player that joined most recently. Issue is or was that game considers each match as all the players joining in again. So the one who takes longest during map change is considered the most recent player even if u have played for hours

Well, I reverted back to original version following the feedbacks. It means it removes: - randomization of player to be balanced - no move feature below 3mn left duration - announcer to encourage self balance due to massive damage difference between teams

I agree, I think it’s fairer if late joiners get moved.

Please revert changes and let last joined get moved... After a week of playing everyday it's the same story and most good players keep joining stronger team, and then other player get moved... The 'I get moved when i try to even' is a crap story, and i have few demos to prove that

First of all, thanks for feedbacks and bringing them here so we can discuss and keep track of what is needed in the end. I do confirm the autobalancer script was modified, the 24th of June this year. The logic of the former version of the balancer script was basically to populate tables in order of appeareance of players joining teams. Then it moves the last one in the table when it kicks in. So it was always switching the player that joined the team the last (new player, or already-switched player). We changed to a total random method instead. The culprit that we tried to address was the fact that when strong players/TM members/friends were trying to balance a map, they were very likely to be switched back to the other team as soon as teams are unbalanced in terms of numbers (-2 less in one team). I understand your point tho. It's very hard to always find good balance when tweeking this game. When you try to improve a situation in one side, it alters another one on the other side. I'm all happy to listen or discuss about any idea that could cover these both situations or improve the server on that topic.

I agree with whole thread that autobalancing need to be somehow reimplemented, but cant see simple solution for now

Was able to enter, thanks!