hettoo Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 Hello it seems it's been a while since there has been much activity in this subforum, so I thought I'd post an overview of what I think is the general sentiment about the current map selection and make some personal suggestions as well. Do take this with a grain of salt; it's just my impressions and opinions. These are the maps I think everyone is enjoying, as they get voted frequently: caen2 frostbite sp_delivery_te venice (I get tired of this, but it gets voted a lot) goldrush-gals (same as above) adlernest / etl_adlernest_v1 bremen_final braundorf_final sw_oasis_b3 supply erdenberg_b3 pirates UJE_italy tc_base sw_battery These ones I haven't played enough to judge: raid_final (I quite like it) UJE_carentan radar decay_b7 lighthouse2 (so far I think it's cute, but axis do get massacred at their spawn and trying to climb up) frost2_final mlb_hotchkiss (seemed very easy to get lost here the one or two times I played... not convinced) Finally, these ones I'm pretty sure people don't like so much: western tits_b2 baserace_desert (although some love it... but there is a dedicated baserace server) UJE_fueldump_cp (perhaps this is more popular when the server gets busy; I usually play earlier) dubrovnik_final (it's not that bad, but I'm pretty sure half of the players are still confused about what's going on in the beginning... I know I am) dingenskirchen (very pretty map, but the objective may be a bit much I think) Personally I would really like to see falcon2 and saberpeak_final, which were played a lot back when I first played this game. These are nice and bright maps (too many dark concrete jungles deter at least me from playing) with what I think are reasonably understandable objectives. I know the first bit of saberpeak may seem a bit big and open, but there is room for closer fights behind the mountains, and there is always the second part. I also wouldn't mind trying mlb_temple (perhaps instead of hotchkiss?), although I realise it's quite big... is the server currently using the player count filtering for votable maps (https://github.com/etlegacy/etlegacy/commit/128b9a829704a2929f6d1e94fc7e1844efdcbc66)? This could be useful also for fueldump for instance, and maybe certain small maps could be allowed only with few players. As one last crazy request I wouldn't mind seeing more roofs and ledges in goldrush-gals unclipped (the way they are in SuperGoldrush_Final for instance) if there is any mapper around able to do so. That would make the map a bit more exciting again for me. 😛 Anyway, I hope this is of any use! I'd be happy even if it just turns into a conversation starter on what to add/remove next. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonkiss Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 Saberpeak is fun, def one of my fav’s. It was on but didn’t get much votes sadly so it got removed I guess. Venice nowadays I spec that one. It’s utterly crap on this server with so many players. Never saw allies win that one on main. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebast1an Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) Generally the problem is people "know" right about 7 maps and keep voting them in disregarding the good but newer maps. Not everyone likes the same maps though so I think it's a good approach to go with the majority. To give my own take on the maps you listed, I'll add a list below. I like small maps with a lot of people so it doesn't get boring. But with objectives that are possible for both teams to win as well. As for adding Saberpeak, please don't. People don't understand the objective and it ends up getting stuck on the first part. Never seen allies get to the city on ETL1 and to be fair, that part isn't super balanced either. Spoiler OK: - Frostbite - Special Delivery - Adlernest - Bremen - Braundorf - Supply - Erdenberg - Pirates - Battery - Raid - Carentan - Radar - Decay - Frost2 - Western (difficult for axis but not impossible at proper numbers) - Dubrovnik (a bit small and limited for higher numbers) - Dingenskirchen Not my favourite but seems like people like it: - Caen2 - Venice - Goldrush (the current version is the least horrible though) - Oasis - Italy - Thud in the sand (the final part is too easy to defend due to several chokepoints) - Baserace - Fuel Dump - TC Base (gets voted in with ridiculous amount of players sometimes but it is what it is) Would remove and replace with something else: - Lighthouse - MLB Hotchkiss Generally both these maps have the same issue. Axis spawn a level below allies and it is simply too easy for allies to just camp the few entries to the objective. Hotchkiss' second part is even worse since allies have a literal open 360 degree killzone that axis can't go around. And it gets worse with more and more people learning the objective. Edited July 2, 2021 by Sebast1an fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyxpix Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 Can we add et_ice, village ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmxj Posted July 3, 2021 Report Share Posted July 3, 2021 7 hours ago, Zyxpix said: Can we add et_ice, village ? I'm not sure but we had ETL ice version (new version by @kemon ) on etl2 and i guess on etl1 as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hettoo Posted July 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 Ok, after playing a bit with bots on saberpeak I realise it's indeed not great. I'd still like to try falcon2 and/or mlb_temple though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrz Posted July 6, 2021 Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, hettoo said: Ok, after playing a bit with bots on saberpeak I realise it's indeed not great. I'd still like to try falcon2 and/or mlb_temple though Temple last stage has been too little for 20vs20 and also the first part where you have to either cross narrow or wide bridge or climb up are real bottlenecks for allied players. Falcon is not big enough for even 10vs10 as axis have very nice places to defend allies and they cannot do anything. Both maps needs allies to be much stronger to have a chance to win. I think falcon is currently active in beginners server mappool - try it out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 6, 2021 Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 There are plenty of topics about maps. All ends with the same. Players vote for the maps they know well, so new maps don't have a chance. Some maps are fine but not balanced, so they are removed. IMO we can try to adjust the balance by changing spawn points or something, but I know that it's easy to say for me, but there's prob no one who can do that. Once I proposed a cyclic event. One day a week (or one day per 2 weeks) with only new maps. I think my idea didn't find enthusiasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonkiss Posted July 6, 2021 Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Jaime said: Once I proposed a cyclic event. One day a week (or one day per 2 weeks) with only new maps. I think my idea didn't find enthusiasm. I think this is an good idea, only nee maps for an few hours. Perhaps not twice a week but once or twice/month? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrz Posted July 6, 2021 Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Jaime said: There are plenty of topics about maps. All ends with the same. Players vote for the maps they know well, so new maps don't have a chance. Some maps are fine but not balanced, so they are removed. IMO we can try to adjust the balance by changing spawn points or something, but I know that it's easy to say for me, but there's prob no one who can do that. Once I proposed a cyclic event. One day a week (or one day per 2 weeks) with only new maps. I think my idea didn't find enthusiasm. Well its pretty organic. I think there are plenty of us who chimed in with new ideas (about rules, maps etc) and got the reply that we didnt invent the bicycle and it has been tried before. From the experience, Temple map could be improved and balanced immensely but we need someone who know how to update and change the map. For example: if allies had 2nd spawn at the beginning near the bridge, it would help a lot. If allies would have at the end a way up to the 2nd floor then it would balance map even more. But that needs some work that I have no idea how to accomplish. But I like active people with ideas. keep it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founders MiniMuppet Posted July 7, 2021 Founders Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 Thanks for all the suggestion, most maps probably have already been on and off the server many time. We do keep adding and removing maps to try to get people to try them and this is what we will keep doing but we can't promise people will play them. For now we have put etl ice, Saberpeak and Praetoria mission 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founders MrMuppet Posted July 7, 2021 Founders Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 On 7/2/2021 at 4:12 PM, Sebast1an said: As for adding Saberpeak, please don't. People don't understand the objective and it ends up getting stuck on the first part. Never seen allies get to the city on ETL1 and to be fair, that part isn't super balanced either. I have changed the spawn times to the allies favour, this should make it easier to progress through the map, if it is now too easy then I will tweak a little more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpel Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 I dont vote those maps which wins the votes.. Because its always same maps.. when vote list opens its 9/10 times mostly same map which wins the vote.. its goes hard if vote opens and its has all favourite maps on list same time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpel Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 (New) maps to think any chance to get.. I m not sure does people like to try them but.. Ok, I type few map names Raw Castle Treetop_Final (There is some point of map VERY HIGH RISK TO BE UNDER SK ATTACKS) So just thinkin is it good.. Looks good but that SK.. Secret_bay Carnage Canyon 2 Bergen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebast1an Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 8 hours ago, MrMuppet said: I have changed the spawn times to the allies favour, this should make it easier to progress through the map, if it is now too easy then I will tweak a little more. Looking forward to seeing what kind of effect that has on the balance. It is a beautiful map so would be nice to have it in the rotation for a longer time as well. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmxj Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 August is behind the corner. Feel free to add your suggestions to this topic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00f Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 Warbell rushers11_b2 Nachteinbruch el_kef_final alpine_assault _BRIDGES_ I'd also have nothing against a properly working version of baserace and also throw minas tirith in there, so charlie might come and play more 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrz Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, m00f said: and also throw minas tirith in there, so charlie might come and play more Pretty sure you earned second bow from @Charlie someone is on a streak! Edited July 30, 2021 by Ctrz all aboard on the minas train! +1 from me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meo Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 Caen2 with sound fixed ❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tupla Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 5 hours ago, m00f said: and also throw minas tirith in there, so charlie might come and play more We had it on server for one time 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00f Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 8 hours ago, Ctrz said: Pretty sure you earned second bow from @Charlie someone is on a streak! Better get on Charlie's good graces before he gon' smack my buttcheeks with the banhammer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyxpix Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 Cathedral (Final) Assault (Final) Warbell (Final) El Kef (Final) Village 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarScream Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 On 7/2/2021 at 3:34 PM, Dragonkiss said: Saberpeak is fun, def one of my fav’s. It was on but didn’t get much votes sadly so it got removed I guess. Venice nowadays I spec that one. It’s utterly crap on this server with so many players. Never saw allies win that one on main. Sniperpeak is a pain in the ass for Allies. Venice is a favourite of mine, have seen Allies win a fair few times. You just need to have a competent Covert Ops. On 7/30/2021 at 10:29 AM, m00f said: Warbell rushers11_b2 Nachteinbruch el_kef_final alpine_assault _BRIDGES_ I'd also have nothing against a properly working version of baserace and also throw minas tirith in there, so charlie might come and play more I second bringing Warbell back, love that map. _BRIDGES_ always seemed to end in a stalemate with one team spawnlocked but holding on to the train. AFAIK the baserace problem is with the server, not the map, but I could take a look at the pk3 to see if there are any glaringly obvious issues. Rushers, Nacht, El Kef and AA are all fine maps but tend to be over quickly as players don't know them so they should be kept on for a while to allow players to get to know them properly. Minas Tirith has been requested a lot, but I am sadly unfamiliar with it. Would like to see what the fuss is about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonkiss Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 Yeah, I guess I don’t play in teams that can catch my low skills. But I agree Saber can be a sniperfest. Gawd how I mis playing ET… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phr Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 What about adding some classic like railgun? Would love to play it again sometime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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